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Aedryan Methyus
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 Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: Frank And Bryon's Phase Transition Discussion |
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Here is Frank and Bryon's complete "Phase Transition" discussion, which began in the GhostChatter.com Sucks forum:
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Frank:
Something about your post that caught my eye earlier was your reference to IR and changing phase? What did you mean by that? I have been researching the paranormal from the angle of classical electrodynamics, quantum electrodynamics and it's relationship with light cycles for the past 10 years. I have written and continue to write an 80 page (and growing) paper on this process and it's associated processes. It's called "Microscopic process/Macroscopic Effect"! As you can discerne from the title, it explains the quantum electrodynamic attributes that cause noticible activity in our atmosphere.
What line do you take in your research?
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Bryon:
I think you are on the right track.
I believe that spirits are energy forms that contain information. These spirits exist for the most part in areas of the radio/light spectrum that is usually not visible to the human eye.
Some spirits can change frequencies or phases. This appears evident when orbs become visible. I believe that some spook lights like the one south of Joplin, MO (actually in OK) and the light in southern AR on the RR tracks.
http://www.dream-link.org/spookyplaces/goldhillhotel.htm
On this page you will find our story, photos and some animations of the entity or ghost. We were working the Gold Hill Hotel and Laura was running the D8 camera in night vision mode when she captured William. The energy formed into a ball and then moved up the stairs and vanished behind a pole.
I thought at first it might have been a lense flair from a light near the staircase but lense flairs do not pass behind objects then vanish, neither do dust orbs. This is the only video I've ever seen of an entity changing phase. It looks more impressive on the actual DV than on the animation.
http://www.dream-link.org/spookyplaces/ghostorbs_f.htm
This page has some nice pictures on it but the one I like the best is the one of the ghost in the window. People write me and send me photos sometimes to share their stories with me. Sometimes I put them on line and share them with everyone.
http://www.barcon.com/lights.rm
This is not on my site but Barry Conrad accidently captured these images with a professional camera that can't normally see ghost orbs. In this video you will see both orbs and a thing they call a "rod" that flys directly through this woman's head. I have the full DV video here at the house that shows a LOT more than this little clip does. I slowed it down and you can see orbs moving in and out of this woman's body in several places. There's no chance it's dust or bugs. The two hour TV special was called "An Unexplained Encounter."
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Bryon:
I should have said we were shooting in the IR and visible range with night vision and this spirit changed size and phase from large and invisible to the camera into a ball of IR light that could only be seen by the camera.
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Frank:
I was thinking you were using the word "phase" with an electrical reference instead of as a noun. When dealing with electricity, phase refers to a time interval between one event and another. Or if you have a wave in-phase with another, you would have a constructive wave. Or if you have two signals out of phase then they are bucking or destructive.
An in-phase set of waves are beneficial to each other and generate secondary wavesforms or frequencies. If you take a 300Hz freq and a 450Hz freq you will get 150Hz and 750Hz as intermediate frequencies. If not in phase these frequencies will annihilate each other.
Anyway, that is how I understand phase transitions. From what I understand of your interpretation, you are referring to phases as stages or steps right?
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Bryon:
Yes, phasing from one frequency into another, but at the same time this William changed from one form into another. So he or IT did two things at the same time, changed forms and frequency. The transformation may require them to do this at the same time. It went from large, vaporous and invisible to small orb shaped and visible in the IR spectrum.
I believe this process is important to spirits and our ability to sense, record and communicate with them.
The information that I referred to is the intelligence within them. It makes them who and what they are. Or you might say it is their personality and might also include memories.
If memories are transferred into a person from a ghost then I believe this is done frequently though what I refer to as a "viewpoint." Meaning if a person or psychic medium were to connect with a spirit they might view the information through the eyes of the spirit. If it is an unintended contact this can be so realistic or lucid the recipient could believe it was their own past life when in fact it wasn't. I also believe that during a hypnotic session that a person might inadvertently blend information with their own memories. I also believe it is possible to create false memories that are so real the person might not be able to discern the difference.
There is another term that is sometimes used "Cosmic Consciousness" or "Cosmic Mind." The great spirit, also spiritual energy that is able to contain all the spirits that live or have lived all at the same time. This is also the medium by which someone could receive a message from a distant place either in a dream or though telepathy.
Another aspect is how events can be recorded in a location such as a building and then be repeated over and over again throughout history. Stones and wood seem to have a very good property to record events created by people or animals over a period of time. But is it really the stones and wood that hold that energy or is it the location itself? In one building people can hear people talking like a whisper and they can hear the sound of pool balls striking each other.
The paranormal is a very fascinating and deep subject. Very challenging to the people who do the research.
…Bryon
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: Spiritual Recordings |
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I was thinking that if a haunted building were moved to a new location, even a few yards from where it once had been would the recorded sounds move with the building or would they remain where they are? Or would they cease to exist?
In the Territory House in Moffett, OK there's a ghost of a woman who appears, walks thorugh the kitchen then directly through the wall. I believe this is a recorded psychic event. The image of the ghost is not aware that a wall has been constructed between the two rooms.
In the Foreman house the ghost footsteps moved from one back bedroom into a hallway across a floor furnace and then into the living room. At that point it could have been a recorded event. When I opened the door and shined the light into the room I said "I caught you!" But there was no one there. I closed the door very quickly and locked it, the footsteps came to that door and the doorknob actually did turn. This was not a paranormal recording, the ghost responced to my presense.
From this I conclude that if a ghost responds to a person's actions or reactions the event is not recorded but is LIVE. A real ghost interacting with the living.
If the ghost does not react to the person trying to get their attention then the event may be recorded.
I've also noticed in quite a few investigations that ghosts or spirits will be reluctant to make their presense known. Some ghosts are shy. Some ghosts are curious but shy and sometimes it takes awhile for them to feel comfortable enough to try to make contact.
During the Ghost of Piper's investigation most of the spirits literally went into the dark corners and rafters. They were very excited. Being a sensitive myself I could feel their excitment. When I spoke with Victoria she was very excited and didn't know why. I told her she was expressing the feelings and emotions of the spirits who were hiding in the rafters and dark places. I knew because I felt but was not expressing the same energy. While some events at that location may be recorded I'm inclined to believe that many of the sounds and expereinces heard at Piper's Opra house are LIVE. |
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Aedryan Methyus
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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I was thinking that if a haunted building were moved to a new location, even a few yards from where it once had been would the recorded sounds move with the building or would they remain where they are? Or would they cease to exist?
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That would be pretty tough to prove either way, because EVP's can be captured anytime/anywhere, whether a location is "haunted" or not. It would be interesting to capture the same distinctive voice in the new location that you had previously captured in the old location though! Our group may have the opportunity to try and capture this same exact kind of evidence though, because a "haunted" bridge that we frequent may be being moved to a new location in the future.
I don't know if you are referring to sounds in general or EVP's, but in my experience, I don't feel that EVP's are residual or "recordings", as you had put it. We have captured many direct communication EVP recordings and we have lots of other supportive evidence that suggests otherwise.
Be sure to take a look at the "Universal EVP Classification System" I devised, based on all of the different types of electronic voice phenomenon we have captured. I try to encourage all investigators to consider adopting it. Here is an example of how the SHGHRS documents EVP's:
http://www.strangehappenings.org/Princeton-Insane-Asylum-EVP.htm
We're kinda getting off the topic here again already though.... LOL
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: Phasing / Changing Frequencies and EVPs |
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As for the sounds moving with a structure I was talking about sounds that are recorded in a building or structure or in time.
EVP's are generally a live response from the dead to the living rather than recorded sounds.
The phasing I refered to has to do with spirits changing the frequency they resonate at. What Laura captured was a ghost changing from a large invisible shape and frequency into a visible orb. I'm going to find that origional DV and process it so we can put it on the Spooky Places website. The animation that is there now doesn't show the event clearly. This event "William" seems to indicate that ghosts and spirits are responsible for orbs. It also indicates that ghosts and spirits can change shapes and frequency.
Good to hear from you. 
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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You may find it interesting that during our last investigation, I captured several instances on video, where shadows seem to transform into orbs. It's kinda hard to see in the crappy low quality versions that are placed on our website, but you can still see it if you watch it a few times closely. Here is a link to our report from that investigation:
Hotel Conneaut Investigation
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: EVP's |
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I listened to the three EVP's and find your method interesting. The sound and quality of your EVP's are different than mine. Mine seem to be created via a manipulation of the white noise itself. The voice appears anywhere from 300 cycles to 20,000 cycles within the white noise.
May have to move this to the EVP catagory. 
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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I was hoping you would say that on the video because I couldn't see what you were talking about.
I'm don't understand what you are talking about with the moving of the building thing. Are you talking about residual voices? If it is an intelligent haunting the voices would go where ever the entity goes.
As for the "orb" or any other anomaly showing up in IR it has to either reflect or emit IR. Just like anything that is visible to our eyes has to reflect or emit light within the visible spectrum. The question is, what process allows the IR to be reflected or spontaneously emitted? I have an idea about the emission, the reflection is a little more tricky. Any thoughts?
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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On the William video that's on line it is an animated GIF and it looses a LOT in translation. However if you watch on the stairs you can see an orb appear out of thin air. On the actual DV you can see the shape appear like a mist then change shapes and shrink down into a very visible orb.
On the moving the building thing if someone knows of a haunted structure being moved I would be interested to know if the recorded sounds like doors opening or closing or footsteps move with the structure. My interest in this is to determine if the sounds are recorded in stone or wood of the structure or if they are located in a specific geographical location. Place dependent or structure dependent.
The ghost I mentioned that walks through the wall does not know the wall is there. So people say that ghosts can pass through walls. I am aware they can but in some cases the ghost being observed may be a recorded event. The recorded event is not what you would call an intelligent event. The recorded event would pass through a wall as if it were a door not knowing the wall had been placed there.
In the basement of Piper's Opera House three of our psychic mediums said there were two Indians literally fighting it out in a concrete wall. These spirits were not aware of our presence, but other spirits around us were. In fact two wooden chairs were moved into our path that had to be moved out of the way to get out of the basement. The reporter who was with us was very negative in her article saying the chairs were there all along. I have video of them entering the room and video of them coming out and the chairs were not in their path when they entered the room. The reporter was wrong. She spoke from bias rather than from verifiable facts.
So I say the ghosts fighting in the wall are a recorded event and the ghosts are not real, but the recorded event in time. The ghosts who moved the chairs into our path are intelligent energy/ghosts. They responded to us being there.
There is a LOT of dust in the old building and dust orbs are common and can be propelled by wind or light energy. There are real orbs that pass among the dust orbs but under these conditions it is sometimes difficult to know which orbs are dust and which are real energy orbs. From my experience though ghosts can be present without appearing in any form to a camera. The William video clearly indicates that ghosts can change forms and frequency.
I believe that some orbs do emit their own IR light. Some orbs also pulse like a heartbeat. Some orbs only reflect the IR light. Other orbs have passed into the visible range and can be seen by the human eye. I saw one visible orb flying near the ceiling at Piper's in Virginia City, NV. I called out for others to look at the orb but at that instant it flew straight up through the ceiling and no one else saw it.
I've been thinking of a method to avoid dust orbs while still viewing the ghost orbs. The IR lights on most video cameras are very close to the lens. Dust particles close to the lens can appear as fast moving translucent orbs. If the IR source light could be moved further from the lens the dust close to the lens might not appear. I've not constructed a system like this that I can test but I am passing the information on to you so you might consider and try it and let me know your findings.
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.dream-link.org/spookyplaces/
I've put a new MPG DVD quality clip on the home page there that has the William orb transforming into an orb.
Watch for the highlighted area for the orb to appear then move up and behind a post.
The problem I have with this clip is the highlighting itself tends to blank out the less visible area of the ghost as it transforms into the orb.
I hope you find this clip showing how the ghost orb appears transforming from a vaporous form into an orb.
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I can see it plain as day. Did you notice the second orb materializing at the same time? If not, take a look at the big upright column to the left, in front of the landing at the bottom of the stairs.
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| Posted: Jul Wed 26, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I did. But the one that went behind the post was the one I was most interested in. In the actual video on a good monitor you can see the larger more translucent ghost as it appears then shrinks and becomes the bright orb that moves up the stairs and behind the post.
This clip should be evidence to prove that ghosts change shapes and frequencies. That ghosts and spiritual energy also appears as orbs.
Please feel free to share the clip with your friends.
Perhaps one day we will work an investigation together.
Now I must edit quite a bit of video into a DVD presentation to show at the Universal Passing Over event Oct. 28th in Las Vegas. You and your friends are invited.
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| Posted: Jul Fri 28, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Damn, Bryon that is a very significant video. The gif file is very misleading.
Here is what I think is happening with this orb. It looks like it is condensing from a relaxed state (where energy density is fairly low) to a charged state (where it is pooling energy). There could also be a secondary thing going on where the charged surface of the orb is reacting to the light on the stairway. The orb looks to be traveling from a low light condition to a luminated area. Light does react to EM fields which will cause the photons path to refract slightly.
Did activity increase after this event or was there a singular sound or event that happened after this was filmed. "William" looks like he was gearing up for something. 
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I agree. The entity went from what I would call a relaxed state, which is larger and in a different frequency.
When the entity changed frequencies it changed shape and size. I highlighted that area so people could see what I was looking at but the highlight itself conceals some of the transformation. In the actual DV on a good monitor you can see the entity was at least twice as large. You can see the edges of the entity, but not the center as it moves toward the orb shape.
I think a different type of camera may have caught the frequency or seen the entity in its early stages of transformation. My theory on that is that it was below IR range and came up to the IR frequency range. That was a digital Sony Handycam. It can see visible light and IR light while in night vision mode.
Light bulbs produce IR light. The camera can't see UV light. If the entity had been in UV it would have had to pass through visible light frequency to enter IR but it didn't because we were looking right at the staircase when this video was shot. No one saw a visible orb. Therefore I believe it came up from a lower frequency into the IR light range.
Another curious thing is that a second orb appeared the same way at the same time to the left of the William orb over a post to the left of the staircase. Not one but two orbs appeared at the same time in different locations. Like William didn't come alone, another spirit came with him. It appeared as an orb then vanished the same way in moments. But William vanished behind a post and the other one didn't. My question is was that second orb a second spirit or was it a result of the first orb's transition into orb form? A harmonic perhaps? A byproduct of the first?
We did capture some strange audio on our video tape but I would have to locate that to see where it happened. I don't think we caught the audio on that particular tape. I do have it on hard drive. All of my usable video from those trips are on hard drive. |
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| Posted: Jul Fri 28, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Bryon,
I think you may have missed my previous post. I would be interested in hearing your take on this video clip....
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You may find it interesting that during our last investigation, I captured several instances on video, where shadows seem to transform into orbs. It's kinda hard to see in the crappy low quality versions that are placed on our website, but you can still see it if you watch it a few times closely. Here is a link to our report from that investigation:
Hotel Conneaut Investigation
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It's the "Shadow Transformation And Noise Incident" clip.
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I can see the shadow at the bottom of the door. The background sounds from the website are distracting to say the least. They are kinda neat when a person first logs onto the page but after that they interfear with my viewing other files and trying to listen to sound. I do not know how to turn off the sound on the opening page.
The shadow isn't there very long but it is certainly there and appears real enough to me from what I can see.
As to why some spirits create shadows I could come up with one or to theories. Perhaps they are not reflecting IR light. Or perhaps they absorb the light in general or feed upon it. I saw a full size human shaped shadow being standing within arms reach of me one day right here in my house. When I entered the house I sensed that someone was behind me but was expecting my friend Matthew and as I entered the room I asked him a question but not receiving an answer I turned around at the door and this dark thing was standing right beside me as big as life! I stood there looking at it for several moments before it moved away down the hall and vanished into my bedroom. This thing appeared big as life and life sized and shaped just like a human body. It was like a living shadow being sucking up the light around it. Ghost Hunters caught one on video during their Florida light house investigation. |
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