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Ghost Lovin Phreak!
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 Posted: Dec Sat 02, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: EVPs and the Law of Dimishing Returns |
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Both you guys (Aedrayen - Christ I can't spell your name sorry - do you have a freakin knickname  ) and Frank:
One reason I was a little sensitive about posting my EVPs here at first has to do w what I call "the Law of Diminishing Returns".
You both get some loud, clear EVPs, right? Did you notice the clear/loud ones tend to get questioned as authentic more? Like maybe it was somebody screaming in the next room, or your own voice blablablah).
Yet many of the muddy sounding EVPs often get accepted immediately as real, though it's usually all whispers and indescript noises.
(My theory of) Law of Diminishing Returns: When an EVP reaches a certain level of strength and clarity, it's credibility to others tends to steadily diminish, rather than strengthen.
Crappy, noisy & muddles sounds: Tend to get no respect as credible.
Middle-of-the-road sounds (ex: multiple interpretations, not very strong, plenty of room for matrixing): Get fair to moderate respect as credible.
Strong, clear sounds: Diminishing Returns; increased skepticism about credibility; Fraud & duplicity suspected more strongly. Also, does jealousy sometimes factor into rejection of EVP?
I suppose this "Law" is understandable. Something really clear could surely be a human sheister. Anyway, this is my preamble before showing you some strange, strong stuff I haven't found others posting in the way of EVPs. These things were strong enough convert me from a total skeptic. If there's some lack of belief, hope you'll at least get some entertainment value out of it ... and go easy on me. Gathering interpretations are the main reason I post them.
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fratka
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Oh, it gets even worse. When someone is gifted or just naturally strong in the spiritual sense, they get very strong EVP's as DC's. This tends to piss people off who can try for years and years getting the same muddled barely audible voices.
I have seen people who have recorded for the first time and get clear as a bell, direct communication, only to have an old bastard with "30 years" of doing this kinda shit call it fake because he never got anything that cool. What a lot of people tend to forget is that we are dealing with individuals when we deal with the dead. There is a certain "human" or emotional factor envolved here. Your attitude and feelings play a big part in how successful you will be, especially when practicing ITC. In fact it is a must! With ITC, you have to literally entice an entity with your strength of character and personal decency to get a good contact.
Now, with that being said...there are people who think, "if I could just get that new Sony recorder I will get a really good recording". Sorry, don't work like that...yes a good clean recorder is nice to limit background noise but it is not essential. I have an uncle who thinks he keeps missing while hunting because of the gun he is using. The next deer season he buys a new gun. Nevermind that he can't shoot for shit and doesn't even practice.
Bottom line, no amount of "top of the line" equipment will correct a crooked eye! You gotta have a little talent! 8)
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Ghost Lovin Phreak!
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Wow I think you may have really helped me just now w/your explanation.
I try not to admit it, but there definitely seems to be an attitude or emotional state that attracts these folks … or keeps them at bay. It even seems level of enthusiasm can affect picking up sounds too. And level of belief in the paranormal. I agree, as sensient beings we can’t (and shouldn’t) control them and when they choose to speak to us.
Also, I have a friend (the one on many of my rec.s) who is a self-proclaimed psychic. She calls me a “Supersensitive” (lol!) and tells me I attract spirits and could make a living out of using my alleged gifts. But actually I practiced tarot for years and then just became more & more skeptical, doubting my readings and doubting spirits, God, anything not logical and concrete - regardless of unexplained results.
My family actually calls me psychic, which is odd, considering they all embrace science so strongly. Part of me fights against the idea of being psychic because I like to think of myself as logical, in control. Psychics don’t get a good rap it seems. Why must you make me think so much FRANK?! ... but it's good 
So then does it follow that you think you’re psychic? Do you practice these abilities in your ITC work ? … And how?? … fascinating. |
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Ghost Lovin Phreak!
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| Ok. Confession. I actually pray for protection before EVP sessions. I'm not a religious (am agnostic). It feels a little silly because it seems like a knee-jerk reaction from youth, but at times I think I sense a Higher Power. Also my prayers are put out there just in case there really are demons and other mythical entities lol. Do you ever do this Frank? Just wondering. |
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fratka
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| Quote: | | So then does it follow that you think you’re psychic? Do you practice these abilities in your ITC work ? … And how?? … fascinating. |
Not at all, nor would I ever claim to be even if I met the check-box criteria. I go with my instincts for the most part.
I too, at one time was all about science. If it didn't have some well-backed scientist's name or well-known research institutes stamp of approval on it...well it wasn't worth much. After meeting several, well-known researchers (modern day Einsteins) and hearing what they had to say about all this....well I slowly started to turn. It made me see just how little they actually knew and that people like you, me, Aedryan and others who are looking at this stuff seriously are the authorities. Our experience and objective viewpoints make us
I have now got to the point where all of my research is completely personal. The messages I receive through ITC are usually very personal to begin with so sharing them is not really valuable to anyone else. Now what I do almost exclusively here is pass on what I have learned and things that have worked for me.
There is an ultimate reality that is not relative or subjective. That has nothing to do with belief or the "how I see it" mentality. I used to think that there were as many realities as there are individuals and there are to a certain extent, but only one is correct. 
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Aedryan Methyus
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| OMS Transmitting wrote: | | Ok. Confession. I actually pray for protection before EVP sessions. I'm not a religious (am agnostic). It feels a little silly because it seems like a knee-jerk reaction from youth, but at times I think I sense a Higher Power. Also my prayers are put out there just in case there really are demons and other mythical entities lol. Do you ever do this Frank? Just wondering. |
You will outgrow this with experience, OMS.... lol
We used to always do the ole' "energy cleansing" and "protectice shield" BS before every investigation - "Just in case". We stopped doing it a long tome ago and we in fact, invite any "negative energies" and "demons" who would like to abuse/inhibit us, to feel free to do so. And to no avail....
So, does prayer protect you? We have discussed this to death and my answer is - Nope! How many rock climbers do you think prayed to "God" for protection and guidance before a climb and still plummeted to their deaths? How many do you think didn't and survived? How many parents have prayed to "God", begging him to keep their children safe, only to have them get kidnapped, mollested, murdered and dumped in the woods?
I think prayer would only possibly have an affect on a "spirit" who had hardcore Christian beliefs while they were amongst the living. Yourself being an Agnostic, are you a "God" fearing individual, OMS? Probably not, so if our "spirits" do indeed retain all of the same characteristics, beliefs and traits in the after life that we had while we were amongst the living (as many believe), would a simple prayer persuade you to not try and cause harm to the living if you really wanted to do it?
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| Aedryan Methyus wrote: | | I think prayer would only possibly have an affect on a "spirit" who had hardcore Christian beliefs while they were amongst the living. Yourself being an Agnostic, are you a "God" fearing individual, OMS? Probably not, so if our "spirits" do indeed retain all of the same characteristics, beliefs and traits in the after life that we had while we were amongst the living (as many believe), would a simple prayer persuade you to not try and cause harm to the living if you really wanted to do it? |
I think it's reasonable logic if you accept (w/out universal proof) that some or all of these entities are dead people ... and not people or beings from an adjacent space/time, etc. There are so many unknowns to all this. |
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fratka
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No, I don't OMS and never have. Even when I first started. I always thought of "ghosts" as individuals and it just seemed crazy to me to throw prayer and scripture at another person hoping that they wil leave me alone. Crazier still, if that person was alive they would leave me alone and give me a wide berth. LOL
If a ghost is gonna hurt you there is nothing stopping it. Demons? The biblical kind...don't exist. There are some nasty things out there but they have nothing to do with GOD or any other deity. The likely-hood of them finding you through all the other dimensional noise is astronomical. There are planes close to ours that muddy up the water (so to speak) making it very difficult for beings who have already transitioned from finding the real you.
EVP's work because the entity is already here and attached (so to speak, again) to this world for whatever reason (that reason always has to do with personal choice). Entities close to this world have no more insight as to what awaits us beyond life than we do, so communicating with them is pointless unless you are doing some sort of soul retreival. LOL
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