Ancient Religion

Typist5 · Ghost Enthusiast Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 36

Would paranormal investigations involve ancient religions and texts? I'm talking greek gods and godess's.
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fratka · Posted: Sep Mon 11, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject:

For the most part no! You will have the occassional amatuer occultist who will dabble in what they think is ancient gods or godesses but in the end if they do succeed in coming into contact with something claiming to be a god/godess it probably isn't.

I look at it this way...if those ancient gods did or do exist, they would be so far above our level of focus or consciousness. It would be a 1 in a billion shot you would ever deal with something like that in your physical lifetime.
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parlance · Guest

Actually, the ancient Greco Roman gods did appear to people quite frequently. They were said to be very tall, and I have seen this with other spirits who are from a higher level. So maybe that just goes with the territory of being a god or a greater spirit.

I don't see why anyone would have contact with such gods in the Americas. The spiritlands tend to be territorial, not unlike earth, where everyone has their own area. So why the Greco Roman gods would feel the need to wander around in the Americas when they have their own area of the world to deal with is beyond me. When I have encountered spirits from other cultures it has been because my spirit traveled to those areas of the world, not because those spirits came here.

I would guess you would have to correspond with people in Greece and Italy to see if any activity like that is still occuring.

fratka · Posted: Sep Wed 13, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject:

I have to disagree with you parlance. The areas of belief are the only areas that are seperate in the "spiritworld". Those areas are most often referred to as the "hollow heavens". People who see these false realms are those who had strong religious ideals of what the afterlife held for them. Good news though, if you have these strong beliefs you will not be in the "hollow heavens" forever. Sooner or later you will start to see the truth of the lighter ethereal realms around you.

The subtle energy realms of existence are only seperated by vibration and are open for exploration by anyone from any world.

Also, the "higher" beings you refer to do not call themselves that...they just say they have different experiences.
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parlance · Guest

Hmmm, the hollow heavens. I have never heard of that concept before. I am interested in where you learned of that concept and what else you have learned while doing so if you care to elaborate.

There is an incredible irony in your reasons for disagreeing with me. I started out thinking that the spiritlands would be some nebulous place where everything was a manifestation of sentient energy and that culture and religion would mean nothing. And I ended up finding out through my experiences that at one level they actually mirror what is on earth, but with a difference. So there is a reversal of my thinking from what you are saying to what I have come to see.

I don't see my experiences as complete, because there are different levels to the spiritlands. I haven't spent much time in the white place, where the really powerful spirits tend to appear. And they have never explained themselves to me, so I honestly don't know what they would have to say about themselves, as far as that goes. I have just seen some of the things they do and are capable of and I wouldn't want to cross horns with them on anything.

I do agree that anyone can go to any of the levels. How they get there and why can cover a miriade of reasons and explainations. And what they take with them when they leave can do the same.

Perhaps therein lies the difference between a shaman and anyone else?

Aedryan Methyus · Posted: Sep Thu 14, 2006 1:52 am Post subject:

Or.... Perhaps therein lies the difference between someone on a really farout acid trip and anyone else?

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.... lol

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parlance · Guest

The northwestern tribes don't have hallucinogens as a part of their religious practices. Personally, I have never used acid or mescaline or any kind of mind altering drugs. I also eschew the use of alcohol or other "mood enhancers". I guess I have been too free with my sharing here.

Thanks for the stereotypical insult. You know us natives, just can't leave the drugs alone and all that. That's why we are sooo, uh, "spiritual". And we "see things" too.

fratka · Posted: Sep Thu 14, 2006 8:20 am Post subject:

parlance · Guest

You sound like my Welsh druid friend when you talk about vibrations. In a way I understand what he is saying, and at the same time I still don't get it. It's one of those things where I will have to experience the practice of it to really have it in my mind what it really means.

As for the upper planes beings, yeah, I know they don't relate well to this plane. That is why everything they communicate to us is symbolic. One time the greater part of my spirit shared its mind with me for a moment. It was then I truly understood what "expanded consciousness" was really about. The human mind is in a black box and our greatest thoughts are just gropings around in the darkness by comparison.

Everything in the spiritlands can be considered an illusion because of the need to translate between the different planes. It's a trick and a half to understand it all. And maybe that is why you won't run into Greek gods in the Americas.

I know there is the thought that the different gods are all the same beings, but the jury is still out on that one for me. I haven't seen enough out there to say that it is true or untrue.

In the Lakota oral traditions they say that the first spirit broke apart and became many spirits and it was the second generation of spirits who created everything. Nobody knows how many of them there were, the Lakota oral traditions only concerned themselves with the spirits who made the Lakota.

I was raised up with Dakota and Lakota people because of the first calling by the spirits. My own people, the Aniishinaabeg, have different ways from them, but I have never had the opportunity to learn about them in a meaningful way. I am close to the time when the second calling of the spirits is supposed to come, but if it means leaving my island, I don't want to go.

People think, oh wow, how cool to be a medicine woman! The obligations that go with that sort of thing are onerous at best, and they consume your life. I watched a medicine man mix maple flavoring with commodities corn syrup because he couldn't afford the real thing or even Aunt Jemima. I don't want to be that poor. I am not rich now, but at least I can afford store bought syrup for my pancakes.

Aedryan Methyus · Posted: Sep Thu 14, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject:

parlance · Guest

To the best of your knowledge, eh? You need to expand your studies. I get really tired of people asking me, "So what kind of wacky tabaccy do you Indians put in that pipe?"

I would never go up to a christian and say, "Don't you guys really take hits of acid on your host wafers?" Nor would I accuse them of spiking the sacrimental wine with everclear or vodka. It's rude, disrespectful, and down right demeaning of their practices, not to mention absolutely obnoxious in the extreme.

When I was being introduced to the traditional ways there was a medicine man going through the process for a vision quest to receive his powers. We camped at the base of the hill the night before he was to come down because we had to go for him at the break of day. During the night I could hear him in the spiritlands, singing his farewell song. There were a bunch of people singing with him. The following morning I asked someone what the words of the song meant, and they translated it as, "Grandfather, when I go, Thank you." When I asked him who the people were who had been singing with him, he told me they were all his relatives. I was 16 at the time. I didn't drink or do drugs then either.

Not all traditions use hallucinogens. The spiritual connection and the events that occur in the other world are as real as the events that occur here in the material world. People who have lost their connection to the sacred don't want to believe they are missing out on anything so they make excuses for why others still have that connection.

I have seen the rainbow spirits that Fratka speaks of. In the white place there is no darkness or shadows. Everything is delineated by colors and the beings display their forms with pastel rainbow colors shimmering in their forms.

The rainbow spirits can come to the lower planes. I have seen them. Their eyes give them away. When I look past the illusion to see what is there, their eyes look like milk opals, white and shimmering with rainbow colors in pastels.

It has been a constant struggle in my life to balance the duality of existance because I have to deal with lopsided people who are unaware of their spiritual being. And I have to deal with my own limitations as a material being. It is really hard walking in two worlds.

Aedryan Methyus · Posted: Sep Thu 14, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject:

parlance · Guest

Well, there is a difference between doubting or asking valid questions and being disrespectful. So enough of all that.

And yes, I realize that the things I share are way the hell up there on the weirdometer and hard for people to believe. I have trouble sometimes believing this stuff myself and I am the one it happens to. So I have to source out where it's coming from and find out if I am the only one seeing this stuff, or if I am just another tourist in the spiritland, experiencing common events for that place. It's been quite an education so far. Mostly I share my stories to see if there are other people like me around so we can talk shop.

Okay, spiritland travel 101 for dummies:

The first basic principle to grasp is the duality of existance. It is the most important one. People are not just flesh and bone, they are spiritual beings as well. So you are existing on different planes in different forms and acting according to the laws that govern those places. In other words the rules of how things work change when you change planes. (oooh bad pun)

So, why is this important?

Well, you can see material manifestations in this world with human eyes, but you can't look into the other planes with human eyes. You have to look with your spirit eyes. And you don't look for material things in the spiritlands, you look for their spirits.

So it's all about using your perception correctly.

You don't taste food with your ears and hear with your tongue. And trying to use your material eyes to look into the spiritland is the same inappropriate use of senses. It just doesn't work.

Conversely, this brings up the question of what exactly it is that ghosts use to manifest themselves in this world so that material eyes can see them?

Answer: Hell if I know. It was never a question I needed to answer so I never looked for one. And I don't know if I would get one if I did. But if the spirits decide to enlighten me on this process, I will tell you about it.

Perception is the key. And not creating mental blocks is the other key. You just have to pay attention and see what is there with the appropriate set of senses.

People have written all kinds of books on how to develop your psychic senses. I have never read them so I can't give an informed critique. I was born this way and allowed everything to pick it's own time to manifest in my life. A lot of my stories are from recent events because now that it is close to the time for the second calling I am finding all kinds of stuff happening that I couldn't have done even 10 years ago. So a lot of this stuff is all new to me.

If it weren't for external validations from independent sources I would write myself off as a nutcase and check myself in to the looney bin.

Fortunately, I come from a culture that recognizes and understands this stuff, and I have been able to draw from the collective knowledge to understand some of it.

I have found people from other cultures to explain the stuff outside of my own culture, so that has helped as well. But once in a while I run into weird stuff that I haven't found anybody to explain, and then it gets really interesting.

If you ever want to see spirits in a controlled environment, get invited to a real sweatlodge. The spirits come and they look like fireflies in the darkness. I saw a spirit like the ones that come to the sweatlodges and other ceremonies in a Russian documentary on the paranormal, so they can be filmed, but I doubt you would be allowed to do that. Even so, the actual experience of being able to clearly see them would be worth the effort.

One word of advice, don't try to grab a spirit. A man did that in a lowanpi ceremony and got punished for his disrespect. LOL He thought it was a trick and was going to catch the culprit and expose them. Instead he got smacked a few times really hard for his mischief. The spirits can pack quite a wallop if you piss them off.

fratka · Posted: Sep Thu 14, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject:

Aedryan Methyus · Posted: Sep Fri 15, 2006 2:06 am Post subject: