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parlance
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 Posted: Sep Fri 15, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Damn Aedryan, did what I said part your hair as it flew over your head???
Okay, we are not talking about meditation here. Or at least I am not. It isn't a matter of ALTERED consciousness. It is a matter of SHARED consciousness.
Remember I said that understanding the duality of your existance is the number one, most important concept you have to understand?
When I walk between worlds, that means my MIND is in BOTH worlds at the same time. My spirit being is sharing what it is experiencing with my physical being. The two minds are exchanging information much like the two halves of the brain share information. That is how I see what I do and where I go as a spirit. When I am tracking the activities of my spirit I am fully conscious and aware of the physical world and even carrying on conversations with others here in the material world because I am telling them what I am seeing through my spirit's eyes.
And the spirit doesn't always share everything. Sometimes it goes places and doesn't bother to tell my physical mind what it's up to. Instead, if something causes it to have to hurry back, then I find out it has been somewhere because it has to reconnect with me to find it's way back to the right body.
Yep, that's right folks, your spirit sneaks out at night and doesn't tell you where it is going.
When the minds of the two halves of your being aren't sharing information, the one of them might as well not exist, because like I said before, the physical mind is a black box. It is pretty limited and pretty much oblivious. That's why Naguals refer to "the other attention." They are talking about the mind of the spirit and being aware of what it knows.
And having reflected on the conversation as it has progressed this far, I think that Fratka with his talk of vibrations may actually have the answer to how ghosts manifest.
I asked the spirits one time how the ancients moved the Stonehenge rocks to where they are now. And they said that those people made the stones dance. So I asked my druid friend about that to see if he understood what they were talking about and he said they changed the vibrations of the stones. Apparently that changes the laws of physics under which the stones operate as a part of the material world and then moving them becomes a piece of cake. Okay, right. Now how the heck do you change their vibrations????
Sooooo, what if ghosts change the vibrations of the molecules in air? What if that change in vibrations causes the air to look different so that you can see the ghosts? It's a thought. It might also explain how they can make things move as well in the case of poltergeist activity. |
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fratka
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| Posted: Sep Fri 15, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What do you find so amazing? |
The comment was made because I was surprised you knew something about shamanic practices. We have never discussed them before so it was one of those unknowns you find out about people later. Thats all! Calm, down!
| Quote: | | You guys can be pissed at me or lash out at me "like so many others" if ya want, but that's just my take on it and i'm not going to just sit here and be agreeable. |
Where did you get the idea that I am pissed at you or lashing out Aedryan? I don't think I pointed anything at you without the wink-wink or a smiley! Don't worry bro...we are having a light conversation on the matters of consciousness where there is no scientific proof in any direction.
As you said in your post, people can talk themselves into a reality that is "not real" but people can also talk themselves out of a reality. Too many people rely on their five senses to define reality and not enough on their heart. Is this subject debatable...of course, everything is debatable but where do you draw the line that seperates reality from fantasy. Reality is nothing more than what society says it is with a mental list of norms taught to us throughout our lifetimes.
Aedryan, later on in your post you mention proof and expecting someone to just take our word for it. Due to the subject matter we are discussing and that we are in the "belief" part of the forum, there is no proof to put forward. Essentially what we are talking about is consciousness and the focus levels of the conscious mind.
The talking to spirits thing, for me at least involves radios, TVs and recorders. I don't use altered states of consciousness for research although I do know quite a bit about them and how to do them (OBE).
There comes a point in paranormal investigation where it becomes very personal and that is when an entity focuses on you personally and touches you beyond description. Not that way...  Aedryan, you have asked me before, "how do you know what they are telling you is true"? It is sort of like knowing when a friend or family member is lying to you...you feel it to your core. That is the only proof I can offer you that the recordings we are doing and conversations we are having are valid.
Back in the day when the first researchers received the first contacts, they had the same questions of validity. The entities offered proof in the form of cross-contacts (contacting many researchers at the same time, in many countries), giving contact information for relatives still alive to have them verify they are dead, using researchers who have already dies and the living researchers would recognize, and details of unknown events that were verifiable.
They did come into contact with beings of a negative disposition to say the least so they devised a codeword system so that they knew who was calling. The code word was, "silimarillion". Why they picked that word is for the same reason you are either scratching your head or diving for a dictionary right now. The word does not conjure any meaning to us in our minds or experienced reality. It doesn't generate pictures in our mind. If they used the word zebra or apple we would instantly imagine those objects in our head, which would compromise the codeword.
Aedryan, your posts seem to have an agressive tone to them that I am taking as you being upset. Are you okay with talking about this stuff without having a stroke...?  
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fratka
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| Quote: | | Sooooo, what if ghosts change the vibrations of the molecules in air? What if that change in vibrations causes the air to look different so that you can see the ghosts? It's a thought. It might also explain how they can make things move as well in the case of poltergeist activity. |
These types of questions are better answered in the theory or out of the box forums because there is evidence and research to support these ideas.
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fratka
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Here is a link to some of the information out there on this frontier research.
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/rdp/katsman/ph-m-model.html
Also, look into Professor Ernst Senkowski, Burkhard Heim and Ron Pearson. These are real scientists investigating the same things we are. They have been very careful to maintain their reputations in the scientific community but have still had their names slightly tarnished because of their research focus. I wonder why that is? What are people so afraid of finding out the truth? Are they afraid they will find out that their religious ideas were all bullshit? Is society so worried about people finding out "God" will love them no matter what they do or how they think or believe?
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parlance
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| Posted: Sep Fri 15, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Okay, I am going to post a comment about this discussion in another topic category concerning emf's. |
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Aedryan Methyus
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Aedryan, your posts seem to have an agressive tone to them that I am taking as you being upset. Are you okay with talking about this stuff without having a stroke...?
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Absolutely, I am.... I just get tired of being accused of tyrancy or being disrepectful and having to make excuses for myself when I express a different view is all. I end up looking like the asshole EVERY time.... lol Look what happened with Shaybeck and those other people here awhile back. I assumed that's what you were referring to by saying, "like so many others". Those people verbally attacked me with nasty insults and name calling for voicing a political opinion that wasn't even directed towards any of them, which resulted in them being banned from here. To this day, I STILL get nasty emails from those people and i've found other forums on the internet where they still continue to publicly bash me, but i'm still the asshole. Go figure.... lol 
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The comment was made because I was surprised you knew something about shamanic practices. We have never discussed them before so it was one of those unknowns you find out about people later.
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That's not what I got out of it, but anyway, I just know a little about a lot and a lot about a little, that's all. I've had a lot of friends over the years, whose religious practices range from Wicca and Paganism to Christianity and Satanism and yes, even Shamanism. I just have a really hard time retaining a lot of religious/occult/new age information. My brain just refuses to absorb a lot of it for some reason (I think that part of my brain is reserved for creativity or something.... lol). I just kinda have a general overall understanding of each of the religions mentioned above. Only certain specifics about those religion's "skeletal structures" cling to me (if that makes any sense).
Anyway, back when I was still actively involved with our ghost chat on a nightly basis, this extremely intelligent, Indian cat, who was really hardcore in to Shamanism would come in every night and we would talk till the wee hours of the morning. There also used to be a Cherokee woman I would talk to, who had a huge medicine wheel, where she would go to and practice her thing. The Shaman dude even explained to me in great depth how the alkalines are extracted, prepared and applied from various entheogenic plants, roots, flowers and mushrooms they use, as well as how they are grown, what the experiences are like and what the side effects are. Some of the alkaline extracts aren't even consumed. They will make a paste out of some of them, which is applied to the skin and absorbed in to the bloodstream.
Personally, I have total respect for the Indians and their extremely deep spiritual beliefs. I think their beliefs and philosophies are probably the coolest, most righteous spiritual beliefs there are in fact. All spiritual "belief" aspects aside though, I only question the reality of what is truely achieved or accomplished through their religious practices versus what their practices only symbolize, just like in ANY religion (I hope that makes sense).
Take the Christian's Baptism ritual for example - The ritual "SYMBOLIZES" the cleansing (remission) of sins and the union of the believer with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection so that he becomes one of Christ's Faithful. The keyword here is "symbolize". Does this symbolic ritual truely cleanse away our sins and bring us closer to "God"? Are we truely going to burn in "Hell" if we don't partake in this symbolic ritual? - OR - Does partaking in such symbolic rituals simply reinforce our "faith"? This is one of the many reasons I do not personally follow or practice any particular religion. Worshipping something that I don't even know exists and being expected to have "faith" that it does, just doesn't seem sensible to me.
Not too long ago, I actually realized that many philosophies that are taught in LaVeyan Satanism are spookedly similar to my own views and outlooks on people and the world. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with one viewing one's self as their own god. We KNOW for a fact that we exist and we also know for a fact what the rewards of consequences will be for given actions, right? Nearly the whole LaVeyan Satanist concept really makes a lot of sense to me and inadvertently reflects a great deal on my own ways of being....
Anyway, i've gotten you guys way off of your discussion with all of my babble. Bottom line - There is no need for anyone to become hasty or feel insulted in this forum. I think we are all mature enough to handle some friendly debate. Otherwise, this would be an awefully stupid choice for place to come and share views, wouldn't it?.... LOL!
- Aedryan
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I think I met your Cherokee medicine wheel worker in chat here one night when somebody was actually around to chat with. She mentioned the medicine wheel and when I asked her if she could make the stones sing, she had no idea of what I was talking about. And when I asked her if there were any skili in the area where she lives, she said there were all kinds of them. (Cough, cough.) Oooookay.
People got a lot of funny ideas about how medicine wheels work and who can use them. The monkey see, monkey do mentality is causing all kinds of mischief. As long as they stick to new age mock ups and replicas, and leave the real holy places alone, they will stay out of trouble. They can roleplay being some kind of holy person and perform really cool and elaborate ceremonies till the cows come home.
As for me, I have a grave in the lower 48 I have to go visit sometime. I want to see if his epitaph reads: "He died because he wouldn't leave things alone." |
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