A Closer Look At Ectoplasm - My Study Of the Ghostly Mist

Aedryan Methyus

I just finished my initial report on ectoplasm, so I thought I would share it with all ONE of you. LOL! Very much like my writing on orbs, I feel it is unquestionably the most thorough and informative writing on the subject to date.

My Study Of the Ghostly Mist

Let me know what ya think!

- Aedryan
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fratka · Posted: May Fri 26, 2006 8:35 am Post subject:

Because I am at work I just skimmed through but I will read it more thoroughly later and then ream you. LOL
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Frank Ratka

Death does not exist!
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Aedryan Methyus · Posted: May Sat 27, 2006 11:05 am Post subject:

Did you have a chance to look at this yet, Frank? Any thoughts?

- Aedryan
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fratka · Posted: May Tue 30, 2006 11:52 am Post subject:

No, I haven't unfortunately! LOL I had a really long talk with Jose Cuervo this weekend. Had to celebrate my fallen comrades!

I will take a look at it today though!
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Death does not exist!
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Aedryan Methyus · Posted: May Tue 30, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject:

I hate to say it, but i'm afraid the legitimacy of ecto just isn't looking very good at all. Even as convincing and ghostly looking as some of the ecto photos I used in the report seem, from investigations where the humidity hadn't reached 100% are extremely borderline.

The ecto photos from our Tinker's Creek investigation bother me the most, because even though the humidity was between 80% and 90% during the times the photos were taken, I specifically remember the ground being wet from dew that night and the temperatures were only 3° - 4° away from the dewpoint. That particular area may have very well been 3° - 4° cooler than where the weather is forecasted in that area for all I know.

As far as the Gudgeonville Bridge ecto photos go, I think there are too many environmental variables in that area, because of the fact that there is cold, running water in the creek beneath the bridge and because the bridge rests in a deep valley. I also feel that waaaay too many "ecto" photos are collected there. There has got to be a reason for it.

All I know at this point is, if the ghostly looking ecto photos from Tinker's Creek aren't legit, I don't think ANY are. I think the other SHGHRS members are hating me at the moment, because of this report and they are pretty much trying to be disagreeable, but there is really nothing to disagree with here, nor do they have any kind of valid argument, other than being in denial. The numbers speak for themselves. As much as I love spooky looking ecto, i'm not going to lie to myself, let alone others....

Now, on the other hand, the probability of the "Swan Diving Ecto" photo we captured at the Moundsville Penitentiary being fog seems pretty unlikely if you look at the numbers.

Ghost hunting is getting to the point where i'm just about ready to give up the fight and put my camera and video recorder away and just concentrate on EVP's. EVP's are about the only thing left that have any legitimacy. Other than that, I think investigations should ONLY be conducted during the driest of weather/environmental conditions. Still, there are others who claim ghosts may actually need things like moisture, fog, smoke, etc in order to show themselves. Personally, I think that is a pretty weak argument, but who knows I guess....

The underlying question here is, does the humidity absolutely HAVE to reach 100% and does the temperature absolutely HAVE to drop lower than the dewpoint in order for fog to occure? And either way, what are some specific environmental conditions and variables to add into the equation?

I'm very interested in hearing your thoughts on all of this, Frank!

- Aedryan
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fratka · Posted: May Wed 31, 2006 8:44 am Post subject:

Aedryan,

Like I have said many times before on this new forum and your old forum. Ecto is nothing more than the environments response to the presence of spirit energy. "Ecto" itself is not the spirit!

There are several common factors that come together, which are natural. Ambient temperature, relative humidity, atmospheric pressure and an electrical discharge from the localized entity. The discharge of electrical energy causes the water vapor to disassociate into two forms of short lived, visible ions...Hydronium and Hydroxyl ions! This also has a acrid odor....ozone and water (smell of a storm coming). Because the entity is localized so is the "ecto" instead of like fog where it affects an entire pasture.

Besides (as you said) EVP, all other observable paranormal activity is our atmosphere's response to the presence of paranormal activity and not the entity itself. The jury is still out on the formation of apparitions though I suspect how they also come about! Wink

I think there are some "ecto" photos are legit but they are very few and have to be looked at on a case by case basis. Has fog been mistaken for "ecto", I'm sure it has because it is made of the same components. Not counting all the smoke photos that people have taken and tried to pass off os ecto whether known to them or not has hurt the validity of all other submitted photos.

Listen, don't lose your drive or focus...it just seems to be pointless! There is a point to documenting even the affects of disembodied spirits. Granted the anomalies we are recording are not the spirit themselves (just a reaction) but it is still proof that our spirit exists beyond physical death. I am glad you have made it to this point, most in this field of study have not...they are still focused on angels, demons and fairies (in other words the drama and not the facts)! Shocked

The road of knowledge is a lonely one, glad to have your company! 8)
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Frank Ratka

Death does not exist!
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Aedryan Methyus · Posted: Jun Thu 01, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject:

Wow, does this theory draw a lot of questions!? Here they are:

fratka · Posted: Jun Fri 02, 2006 8:49 am Post subject:

Okay Aedryan, I will try to tackle your question as I understand them:

fratka · Posted: Jun Fri 02, 2006 9:02 am Post subject:

Oh you also asked if myself or someone I know has the knowledge, ability and will to conduct these experiments? I know people with the knowledge and ability but not the will. They are to busy with designing space propulsion systems and researching the finer points of zero-point energy to be bothered with my experiments...bastards! Laughing

There is plenty of information out there Aedryan, I can't imagine how you did not come up with at least 190,000 hits on google for hydronium and 1.7 million hits for Hydroxyl ions. I won't lead you down a bad path Aedryan but if you do not want to believe me, you get the knowldege, ability and will and do them for yourself. I'm sorry if that is a little blunt but thats the only way I learned and retained it.
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Frank Ratka

Death does not exist!
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Aedryan Methyus · Posted: Jun Sun 04, 2006 2:51 am Post subject:

ghostlymom · Infatuation With Ghosts Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 56

So I have a question that pertains to this. Not sure if this is were to post it. so please feel free to move it meth. Anyway. I am wondering if humidity/moisture, atmospheric pressure so on and so forth can cause a spirit energy to condensate? We have been finding water puddles throughout our home. We even woke to find our mattress soak and wet one day. (nope nobody had an accident lol) These are rather large puddles of water containing no odor and leaving no stains. I have a video of our upstairs hallway were you can here watering dripping. ( we have no upstairs plumbing what so ever ) in the beginning of the video its just dripping and hitting the floor, later in the video you can hear it dripping and then hitting a puddle. but that night we found no puddles. Any thoughts?

fratka · Posted: Jun Mon 05, 2006 8:19 am Post subject:

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very little is known about the mysterious "electrical charge" contained within the human body (if anything at all). But, if this electrical charge is indeed our soul, as many believe, I just want to know how a human spirit would be able to generate or release anymore energy than a human can, let alone enough to affect the environment. I mean, if this is the case, does this electrical charge (our spirit?)

I don't believe the "electrical charge" measured within the human body or any other animal's body for that matter, has anything directly to do with a soul. I do believe we posses a soul but not defined in dogmatic terms, more of a level of presence or representation on another plane. This "soul-body" so to speak, would not be measurable on our plane but this is purely rhetoric and I have no tangible proof to submit.

The electrical charge found in all biological creatures is no mystery just as a chemical battery is not a mystery to us. The electricity found in our body is derived from chemical reactions, differences in pH and alkalinity if you will (to put it simply)

I have an undergrad degree in wildlife biology and forestry.

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I hate to turn this into an orb discussion,

Sorry, I forgot to add that to my original response. There are TWO forms of spirit activity that I believe come directly from the spirit, all others are reactions. Originally I was responding to your "EVP legitimacy" comment a few posts ago with that statement. The majority of my research is centered on the "orb" and the effects it has on it's physical surroundings.

As with a lot of people I believe the "orb" is the basic (relaxed) form of an entity in our plane of existence.

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To me, it sounds like you have already taken this beyond a simple theory and turned it into factual, definitive evidence that would change everything.

For ME, I have! BUT, I present this as only theory and it is anything but simple. I continue to experiment but am not willing to go as far as to say this is fact or this is the way it is. I am not out to change how people see beyond our world (tried that before but it is pointless). I will say though that I base my findings on my measurement (EM, ELF, and ES) of anomalies, review of video/photographic evidence, and I compare that information to known and observed processes on the Earth. My models and comparisons are sent to "friends" of mine in the scientific community, one was a senior research scientist for Princeton's PEAR unit and another worked for the government; both of them are theoretical physicists with a tight grasp on quantum physics and electrodynamics. Also, both now work on the development of space propulsion systems, namely a warp drive.

My information is checked to see if my interpretation of accepted theory is correct and whether MY theories are feasible, not whether they are real or proven. I in turn put my theories out to ya'll (others in the paranormal community) to possibly stir other theories or "modes of thinking" besides the dogmatic and superstitious, which was so prevalent just a couple years ago. Now, because you, me and many others like us, people are getting away from the demons, angels, fairies and elves. People are starting to physically measure and analyze the behavior of the entities observed (and know what it means).[went crazy on the commas in that one.] Confused

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successfully create vapor in ALL possible weather/environmental conditions, where "supposed" ecto has been photographed, it still wouldn't be absolute proof, because as you said, we are really talking about the unknown here. You have definitely given me some more ideas to ponder here though. One thing I am going to be taking a look at and adding to my report is, the differences between fog and vapor.

As you have stated and I believe, ecto is rare. In my belief it happens only within a certain range of conditions. I am still compiling data from investigator's files, like me and yourself who lists environmental conditions in your reports and list whether you have seen or photographed ecto.

The statement you made that I have outlined in bold lettering is my point in doing this as I alluded to in my response to a prior quote. Even if you do not accept my way of thinking or point of view. If I make you think or see other avenues then I am happy. Very Happy

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Frank Ratka

Death does not exist!
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fratka · Posted: Jun Mon 05, 2006 8:23 am Post subject:

Ghostlymom,

Do you have centralized A/C in your house? If so, where in the house is it located (drainpan/drainpipe)? What type of paint is on the walls, latex? What has your weather been like lately, humidity, dewpoint, temperature (high/low)...etc?
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Death does not exist!
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Aedryan Methyus · Posted: Jun Mon 05, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject:

Thanks for clarifying, Frank. I think maybe you should have just chosen your words a little more carefully in your first post is all.... LOL I know i've learned to make it a point to NEVER state anything as fact (or that could be taken as fact) anymore, unless I have something solid to back it up with. It's like I always tell the other SHGHRS members before every investigation we do, where people will be present that could ask them questions; NEVER make any of your comments sound definitive - Always begin every sentence with, "One of my theories is....", "Some people believe that....", "Some of our evidence suggests that....", etc. That way there is no confusion and we don't make the same mistakes others have made in the past by misinforming people.

I've been reading through your blog and I see more and more that we both serve the same purpose and we share the same thoughts about the majority of these other hillbilly "paranormal investigators" that are out there. Their belief systems revolve around complete bullshit that is based entirely on the beliefs of our overly superstitious, mystic ghost hunting forefathers - Ed and Loraine Warren.

Every website or book you come across is filled with essentially the same old, "Ghost Hunting 101"/"Types Of Spirits"/"Ghost Hunter Protocols"/"What Are Ghosts?"/"Warning: Do Not Use Ouija Boards!" and blah, blah, blah.... This same old unproven, unscientific mumbo jumbo has been being copy/pasted from website to website and transferred from book to book for so many years that the world is totally flooded with misinformation and factual inaccuracies. Then when they put these "paranormal experts" on television it's just like when they have the Ku Klux Klan on the Jerry Springer show - Someone with a little bit of education, experience and documented, scientific evidence to backup what they are saying could make some valid points, but they seem to like putting the most radical, uneducated mystics they can find in front of the camera. I am even guilty of having posted some of this same old cliche' ghost info on the SHGHRS when I first put the site together, but i'm slowly weeding it out.

The bottom line is, the whole wheel needs to be reinvented and all of these other groups need to get with the program and start fessing up to a lot of their misinformation. We all need to be on the same page before ghost study will ever progress. Groups like the SHGHRS and DPART should get together and send out mass emails to all these other ridiculous groups and hound them to death until they conform! Maybe we should.... start a blacklist and place it on our websites? Hmm.... Twisted Evil

Anyway, we're waaaaay off topic. My ecto study is focused more on what ecto is NOT than what it is at this point. I'm still seeking answers to the following questions at the moment:

Does the humidity absolutely HAVE to reach 100% and does the temperature absolutely HAVE to drop lower than the dewpoint in order for fog to occure? And either way, what are some specific environmental conditions and variables that need to be added into the equation, besides humidity, temperature and dewpoint?

- Aedryan
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Shark89 · Posted: Jun Mon 05, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: