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fratka
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Shark is right even though he may not know why. It has been my experience (is that better Aedryan?)  , that under "normal" environmental conditions those factors mentioned have to be present to form fog. Then again, if you throw in another variable such as an electrostatic charge those other 2 factors change and it could be possible at lower levels of humidity and higher temperatures.
This is a known fact here (had to throw a little hick in there) so listen closely...(LOL), electrostatic charging increases exponentially below KT~300 (< +43F). Below 43F the atmospheric density increases enough for objects in the triboelectric series (positively charged) to charge or collect excess electrons in the atmosphere.
My research suggests the optimum temperature would be around +34F with an approximate 40% relative humidity and atmospheric pressure being stable at 29.92. The "orb", which under relaxed conditions has a neutral charge (assumed because all objects in nature seek equilibrium under the laws of thermodynamics) travels through the air at a certain speed picking up excess electrons on it's outer shell from atmospheric rubbing. The discharge of these charges could be voluntary or involuntary (I don't know at this point) but they will discharge when the charge reaches the limit of the area covered on the outside of the "orb".
Most if not all paranormal investigators/researchers have seen or recorded unexplained flashes, which is one of the reasons we call out flash when taking pictures. I believe these unexplained flashes are a result of an "orbs" involuntary discharge (I know the jokes are jusy zooming through your head, involutary discharge!?)
Anyway, I think ecto is created under controlled conditions or when another process is taking place, like containment field expansion (seen and recorded).
I can send you plans and instructions of how to create a machine that will seperate hydrogen from water and it runs on a 9VDC battery. It uses 2 electrodes to seperate the to elements of hydrogen and oxygen and because it is uncontrolled it will also create the hydroxyl ions and hydronium I wrote about earlier.
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Aedryan Methyus
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Shark is right even though he may not know why. It has been my experience (is that better Aedryan?) , that under "normal" environmental conditions those factors mentioned have to be present to form fog.
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Frank, Shark was saying that he DOESN'T think the humidity has to reach 100% for fog to occure. Are you saying that you think it does or doesn't
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if you throw in another variable such as an electrostatic charge those other 2 factors change and it could be possible at lower levels of humidity and higher temperatures.
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- What instrument is used to monitor for electrostatic charges/discharges?
- Will electrcostatic charges/discharges set off EMF detectors?
- How much of an electrostatic charge/discharge does it take to produce fog?
- What natural elements (besides possibly lightning) can cause electrostatic charges/discharges that would produce fog outdoors in humid weather conditions with no electrical sources?
Below are some of the common activities people perform (indoors) that may generate electrostatic charges on their bodies and the volts it can produce:
a) Walking across a carpet= 1,500 to 35,000 volts
b) Walking over untreated vinyl floor= 250 to 12,000 volts
c) Worker at a bench= 700 to 6,000 volts
d) Vinyl envelope used for work instructions= 600 to 7,000 volts
e) Picking up a common plastic bag from a bench= 1,200 to 20,000 volts
I'm not able to find anything about electrostatic charges outdoors or in the air or anything like that. However, it has always been my understanding that there is more static electricity in the air during and after thunderstorms and during full and new moons. That's the main reason we always try to schedule our formal investigations during full moons, because spirit activity is thought to be higher during these times when the air is "charged".
Just a few more things to ponder....
- Aedryan
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fratka
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| Quote: | | Shark was saying that he DOESN'T think the humidity has to reach 100% for fog to occure |
I was saying it does not have to reach 100% with other variables thrown in such as electrostatic charges.
| Quote: | | What instrument is used to monitor for electrostatic charges/discharges? |
Electrostatic locators and meters of course! Mine is a SIMCO SS-1, picture below. There are digital varieties but they are either too expensive or don't have enough features. Besides I have friends that can calibrate mine.
| Quote: | | Will electrcostatic charges/discharges set off EMF detectors? |
No, not by themselves. In order for magnetic fields to be produced you have to have an acceleration of charge and the resulting current. Current is the key to electromagnetic fields! Static charges are just that, STATIC. 
| Quote: | | How much of an electrostatic charge/discharge does it take to produce fog? |
I don't know! Like everything else dealing with electricity it depends on the variables involved. Remember that water vapor (mostly positively charged) in the air is detrimental to high static charges because water leeches negative ions from the air (dampening the field [pun]).
| Quote: | | What natural elements (besides possibly lightning) can cause electrostatic charges/discharges that would produce fog outdoors in humid weather conditions with no electrical sources? |
Ghosts, brutha! Damn, what are we talking about here!? 
Under humid conditions? None that I can think of but then again I am no weather expert.
| Quote: | | electrostatic charges outdoors or in the air or anything like that. |
Why do you suppose you get a shock from your car on a cold winter day after driving somewhere? Your car is not grounded and picks up free electron that were not absorbed by water vapor in the air. When the air is cool and dry you have a much greater incidence of static electricity outdoors. It is no different indoors! Static electricity is not caused by power sources necassarily, they are caused by air currents (wind). It is always present but if the humidity is high those excess ions are absorbed into the water vapor(pos).
Do you have an air ion counter? Try this, set it to read neg(-) and then breath onto the probe. You will get a reading from 5v to 7.5v. The air coming from your lungs is not dry but very wet and your bodies polarity will be constant throughout, so the negative ions will not be attracted to the negatively charges water vapor coming from your lungs. Are you following? That is why air ion counters are pointless for ghost investigation. Any movement of the air will cause a spike in ion levels and voltage. Even the instructions that come with them tell you that....
Also, high ES is not a result of lightning in a thunderstorm but from the updrafts and downdraft that made the thunderstorm and lightning. I know, you are saying lightning is made by oppositely charged ice crystals (graupel) in the clouds...that are in the updraft and downdrafts (reach speeds of 3000 and 4000 fps). True but what do you think gives those ice crystals there charge?
Moon phases not only affect the tides and gravity but it also affects the wind currents.
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