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PostPosted: Aug Mon 14, 2006 2:35 am    Post subject: 9/11 Orchestrated By Our Government!? Reply with quote

I think the most popular conspiracy theory of our time has got to be 9/11. I have found an overwhelming amount of solid evidence all over the internet, which strongly suggests that our government was behind the entire thing! Physicists even agree that most of our government's explanations surrounding the events that took place on 9/11 literally defy the laws of physics.

The enormous amount of evidence that points to our government is actually horrifying to me and it should be to everyone! Those of you who have not done any research on many of the other government conspiracy theories are quite understandably asking yourself the same questions I was asking myself until I learned a little bit more about our government - What reasons would our government have for sacraficing so many thousands of Americans on 9/11? What purpose would that serve? Well, the reasons go way beyond the scope of this particular post, but I will be posting more in the future, which will shed a lot more light on our government's "reasonings". However, I will tell you this: If everything truely is as it seems, it all has to do with our government's immaculate plan for "The New World Order" and greed!

Before we get in to all of that, I am going to post links to a few different videos i've found online about the 9/11 conspiracy theories specifically. Please spend some time watching these videos and whatever other ones you can easily find on Google Video and at www.youtube.com.

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September 11th Con Conspiracy Cover-up 911 Truth (Part 1 Of 2)

September 11th the Con the Conspiracy the Cover-up of 911 part II

911 Conspiracy - In Plane Site

911 conspiracy (2nd part)

Pretty scary shit, huh? It gets better....

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PostPosted: Aug Mon 14, 2006 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not going to fully respond to this yet but I do have one thing to say. I have seen evidence suggesting exacly what you are saying and evidence suggesting the governments claims. Both viewpoints are supported by "experts", both sides have motives and both sides are completely possible. I guess it just depends on which side you want to believe in.

The truth will never be known. Even if the person or persons who setup the entire sham stepped forward today and spilled the beans, no one would believe them. US citizens have grown to mistrust everyone so completely that if you were to tell someone the sky is blue, you would have to prove it.

I choose to cautiously believe in the USA and back a government that will bring wealth and power to the USA and serve the United States' interests. I would hope and suspect that any other countries citizens would want to believe the same of their governments actions.
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PostPosted: Aug Mon 14, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I haven't seen any evidence that supports our government's claims. I've only seen what the government had THEIR "experts" and THEIR media show us and i've been buying in to it like a retard for 5 years now just like everyone else. Man, am I starting to feel REALLY stupid....

I had planned on outlining a huge list of inconsistencies and questions about 9/11, but I think most of the conspiracy videos speak for themselves, so i'm not even going to bother. For the time being, i'm going to just try and keep my comments general. However, my main question is, how does our government repeatedly get away with pulling off horrific atrocities like this when there is such an overwhelming amount of evidence against them? There are individuals and groups of people who have spent millions of dollars exposing them and still, nothing is done about it?

Some people say there is nothing we can do about it, because we are powerless to the government, while others say we, the people actually have the power to overthrow our government and cause a revolution. Personally, i'm somewhere in between. I think there are a lot of things the people can do to cause our government some problems and it would involve A LOT of personal sacrafices, but I don't think it's as simple as every American refusing to work or buy gas or make any purchases, etc for a week. I think it would take something a lot more drastic, in addition to all of those things. They say the place to start is by making others aware of what our government is up to and spreading the word, but then what?

What do you guys think?

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PostPosted: Aug Mon 14, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...how does our government repeatedly get away with pulling off horrific atrocities like this when there is such an overwhelming amount of evidence against them? There are individuals and groups of people who have spent millions of dollars exposing them and still, nothing is done about it?


The short answer...American's are sheep. I'm sure some people who read this will get upset but it's true. Don't feel bad because we are not the only ones....

The reason why no one does anything about our governments overt actions...well, we don't want to believe it or we are so cynical we don't care. We also feel powerless to do anything and then we also have an older generation that was brought up to trust our government without question. I was brought up by German immigrants who vow to never be taken by a government again (immigrated 1948). They don't believe shit. I guess that is why I am on the fence about it. I don't trust anyone until I see all the evidence and then that is only if I care enough to look into it.

Fact is...you won't know the truth unless the US government wants you to.
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PostPosted: Aug Tue 15, 2006 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, I guess no one has an reasonable opinion on the subject.
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PostPosted: Aug Wed 16, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Registered here awhile back but i think the webhost must have changed or something as my old bookmark doesnt work anymore. so for now i'm posting with an un-registered nick until i can fully register.

The question about WHY a government would want to do something so horrific to it's own people is a simple one: Because they always have.

It goes back hundreds if not thousands of years. Its a simple case of the wealthy and elite, dictating their will to the serfs that provide them with that wealth and power.

Where as in the dark ages, simple executions of dissenters and revolutionary thinkers were easy and provided an "example" to the rest of the lower class, today things are night quite so simple.

the population of the lower and middle class has exploded into such a number that the wealthy are now forced to placate the masses in order to ensure their own survival and their own wealth.

it is no long an option to simply kill everyone that doesnt agree with your opinions as a ruling class. this is especially apparent in the west where freedom of speech and other strong roots of democracy have grown.

which brings me to my next point. the only way to ensure that the people do not see through the ruse the elite have created for them, is to convince them of an outside threat. Dictatorships throughout history have used this tactic repeatedly to cow their people into obedience and what we are seeing now in the west with the "war on terror" is no different.

How can we as westerners have such a hard time believing the neo-cons were behind 9/11 (if not let it happen to advance their own agendas) when history has clear examples of similar events occuring right down to nero and rome? We have a similar event within our own history that should have taught us ALL to be more than vigilant when our governments concoct enemy's and fear for us, and that event is the burning of the reichstaag by hitlers thugs.

let us NEVER forget that pre-WWII germany was also a democracy before it fell into the frenzied hated and nationalism that hitler helped conjur. He too outlined an "enemy". he too drew borders and summoned nationalism within the hearts of the people and created institutions to uphold those ideals.

one need only watch cnn now, with the recent "foiled terror plot" in the UK to see just how crafty these individuals are and just how poisoned even our media has become.

words like "homeland security", "terror", "fear", and questions like "are we safe" are drilled into the peoples minds while the criminals in congress and the white house pass bills that infringe on democratic civil liberties to such an extent that the founding fathers would have violently revolted after the first fixed bush election.

with a little research and a simple glance at an american dollar bill, it will become painfully apparent what is happening and who is pulling the strings. Not painful because it is un-believable, but painful because it comes with the realization that as smart and free as we thought we were, we were fools. serf's working and dying for the wealthy like it has been for millenia.

I URGE you to do some research on PNAC (Project for a new american century) and read for yourself some of the idea's presented within their doctrine as well as some of the minds who concocted said ideas. Names like Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, explode like the weapons now being unleashed in the middle east amidst calls for "a new pearl harbor" that would get the american public behind the neo-conservative effort to redraw the map of the middle east and permanantly establish the U.S as the super geo-political empire it supposedly deserves to be. While PNAC has since taken these documents off of their public website in an effort to convince the small minded that such articles and plots never existed, a little searching is all that is required to uncover even just a tiny shred of the massive amount of evidence that is out there.

9/11 aside, it cannot be argued that the current administration has used this event as a catalyst for its plans both in the middle east and at home. Hundreds of thousands dead in iraq. thousands of americ troops sent home in body bags. Government wire taps. The U.S government monitoring the e-mails, phone calls, and communications of its own people here at home, all in the name of "security". Orwell i am sure, is rolling in his grave.


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PostPosted: Aug Wed 16, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow alot of typo's there lol


sorry about that i wrote it in a hurry Smile


anyways, just wanted to say i'll be around with links to articles quite frequently.

looking forward to everyones opinions.
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PostPosted: Aug Wed 16, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always good to see you here, Kjell! You and I have already been talking about all of this stuff at length, so I know you have a lot to bring in to these discussions.

Thanks for coming and sharing your views with us, brotha!

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PostPosted: Aug Wed 16, 2006 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, in short all it would take to see the "neo-con" (it's not just the conservatives) plan fail is to convince the US citizens that there is nothing to fear in death. If no one feared death then there would not be a reason to fear or a need for security.

I have long since given up on the fear of death and feel intimidated by no one. Through my research in the paranormal and the contacts I have made, I have found that there truely is nothing to fear.

Then again, paranormal means aside...if the people of the US and it's western allies would bow out their chests, invoke some courage and stand up to all aggressors (foriegn or domestic) like their forefathers we wouldn't be in this sheep mode that we find ourselves in...!

It is time to stop blaming others and take personal action. I am responsible for what I think and know, not the media, not some government figurehead (GWB) and not god. People are lazy and refuse to do the "legwork" to find out the truth or they don't care because the problems of mankind do not affect their personal day-to-day lives.

I am so sick of hearing people blame a new world order or some kind of conspiracy theory when the responsibility in this country falls on individuals who make up the mass of society. Too many people buy into the race arguement or religious differences or political correctness or any other ideal and arguement that keeps our minds divided.

On another note, this lie that conservatives are the only ones perpetrating these injustices is ridiculous. There are just as many rich liberal, progressives or democrats (whatever you wanna call them) who have an interest in staying in power and money. This is another example of keeping people divided with political arguement and idealism. People on both sides of this fence are proud of themselves for not falling for the conservative line or the liberal line....let me tell you, 9 times out of ten if you didn't fall for one, you fell for the other. So the elite still have you believing their bullshit.

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PostPosted: Aug Wed 16, 2006 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On another note, this lie that conservatives are the only ones perpetrating these injustices is ridiculous. There are just as many rich liberal, progressives or democrats (whatever you wanna call them) who have an interest in staying in power and money. This is another example of keeping people divided with political arguement and idealism. People on both sides of this fence are proud of themselves for not falling for the conservative line or the liberal line....

You're absolutely right! Those of our members, who do not believe that government officials from both sides of the coin are not all serving the same cause - The new world order, will soon be feeling a little differently once I get a couple more topics started here, along with compelling video evidence of such! They're all a bunch of sick, evil, greedy bastards!

As I told Kjell on MSN lastnight, one HUGE thing that I think would stop A LOT of our governments greediness is, if the people would join together and DEMAND that serious steps are taken immediately following our next presidential election to start mass producing alternative synthetic fuel! Just like other countries have already been doing for over 10 years now! We have to become non-dependant on oil! What use would our government have for the middleeast then? I'd like to see that happen with the big oil man - Bush still in office though!

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Man, that is all I want people to do...quit being lazy, take personal responsibility for allowing this to happen and take back the power you have blindly given away. Fuck the politicians! If the people who put them in power would pull their heads out of their asses and snap them to attention maybe they would not be so uppity! Wink

They work for us, we are not subordinate to them!!
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fratka wrote:
So, in short all it would take to see the "neo-con" (it's not just the conservatives) plan fail is to convince the US citizens that there is nothing to fear in death. If no one feared death then there would not be a reason to fear or a need for security.

I have long since given up on the fear of death and feel intimidated by no one. Through my research in the paranormal and the contacts I have made, I have found that there truely is nothing to fear.

Then again, paranormal means aside...if the people of the US and it's western allies would bow out their chests, invoke some courage and stand up to all aggressors (foriegn or domestic) like their forefathers we wouldn't be in this sheep mode that we find ourselves in...!

It is time to stop blaming others and take personal action. I am responsible for what I think and know, not the media, not some government figurehead (GWB) and not god. People are lazy and refuse to do the "legwork" to find out the truth or they don't care because the problems of mankind do not affect their personal day-to-day lives.

I am so sick of hearing people blame a new world order or some kind of conspiracy theory when the responsibility in this country falls on individuals who make up the mass of society. Too many people buy into the race arguement or religious differences or political correctness or any other ideal and arguement that keeps our minds divided.

On another note, this lie that conservatives are the only ones perpetrating these injustices is ridiculous. There are just as many rich liberal, progressives or democrats (whatever you wanna call them) who have an interest in staying in power and money. This is another example of keeping people divided with political arguement and idealism. People on both sides of this fence are proud of themselves for not falling for the conservative line or the liberal line....let me tell you, 9 times out of ten if you didn't fall for one, you fell for the other. So the elite still have you believing their bullshit.

More, later.... Wink




Your comments couldnt be closer to the truth. I wholeheartedly agree that there are infact rich, elitist "liberal" forces at work that fully work with the neo-cons in establishing "new world order".

just as there are "neo-cons", there are "neo-libs". the prefix of neo obviously implies "new", as both stereotypes imply a perverted take on their traditional counterparts.

I am by no means delluded enough to believe that the current state of affairs is limited to one school of political thought or another. it is not. It is that very division which these bastards use to divide and conquer. A more apt term would be "neo-fascists". I think the term "neo-con" has simply gained so much momentum due to the fact that it was infact the neo-conservatives that were the architects of the invasion of Iraq among other countless foreign policy disasters. Does that make the conspirators in the democratic party any less respobsinble? hell no. if anything it makes them even guiltier.

make no mistake about it, I agree with every word you've shared here. complacancy is infact the enemy. We're often content to be fed bullshit with our big mac's as long as we can still get a paycheck and buy that big mac with a lap dance and a martini at the end of the day.

That complacency does indeed place the blame squarely on our shoulders for not standing up and giving a fuck. But it by no means disproves the FACT that there IS a plan to establish a new world order. One that respects no social class but the wealthy and no god but money.

If cameras on every street corner seem like something that can only happen in the UK, think again. Even now in the streets of Totonto, a city in a nation I call home and that most Canadians would fight to the death to keep free, cameras are on the street corners. But will we fight when our own country tells us its for our own good? thats another question entirely.

far too often history has shown us that dictators do not simply sieze control by force. they are GIVEN control and then take more. Think it cant happen here? think again. it is happening before your very eyes.

Does it matter if your a democrat or a republican? a liberal or a conservative? fuck no. what matters are your freedoms and your rights. With this "war on terror" the government will move to take those things away from you and i both. the question we have to ask ourselves is who the real terrorist is. Are you willing to give up your rights and freedoms for security? if so then by all means join the ranks of the sheep who now before our very eyes are forced to drink their own fucking baby formula at airports to prove they arent "terrorists".

It's the perfect setup to finger dissenters as being "extremist" so as to quell any form of resistance and suck the very soul out of humanity itself.

I'd sooner die then let that shit happen. if it means being bombed by an islamic extremist rather than being put in a concentration camp for being a free thinker then so be it.
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PostPosted: Aug Fri 18, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree whole heartedly with what you have said and I have to emphasize that this "wool" over the proverbial eyes is bullshit. We see it, it feels wrong and most ignore it for just the reasons we have already stated. The true enemy is not the NWO it is the uneducated, complacent masses. Everyone needs to stand up, grab your nuts and knock them motherfuckers in the eye.

Like you, I would rather die than lose one minor, insignificant right to freedom. Any compromise is a slippery slope I would not want to tread on. To me this is a classic setup only on a larger scale.
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PostPosted: Aug Sat 19, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

on a side note, you guys should drop by www.colbertnation.com and check out the conspiracy theory section of the forums. some pretty interesting and heated debates Smile
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PostPosted: Aug Mon 21, 2006 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen is that you....I told you to keep your politics on your own forum. Give Evelyn my love...! Laughing Shocked Twisted Evil
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